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I am curently working on a new novel on the life of Richard Lee and Anne Constable. I hope you all will be as excited as I am!

"Richard and Anne"
by Jacqueli Finley
jacqueli@leesofvirginia.org



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ATTENTION ALL LEE FAMILY MEMBERS:  
ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US WHO
DESCEND FROM RICHARD LEE AND ANNE CONSTABLE:
IF YOU OR FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE HAD YOUR DNA TESTED, 
Y-DNA, MITOCHODRIAL DNA, OR AUTOSOMAL DNA
And wish to be involved in a DNA study Project Contact:
  INFO@LEESOFVIRGINIA.ORG

or visit the start up page:

Lee DNA Project Page

We have an opportunity to start our own Lee DNA project for all lines from the

Lees of Virginia including
lines with male line descent or female line descent to living descendants.
This will assist ALL Lee cousins and future generations!

Many Lee descendants are getting confusing information
and non acceptance of DNA matches of descending lines from the Lees of Virginia. 
This may be happening even when DNA has been confirmed to match to documented ancestry
to Col. Richard Lee and his wife Anne Constable. 
 Over 85% of Lee descendants are being denounced, and compared to DNA Haplogroups that may be questionable,
or corrupted from a NPE within the DNA being used
 to compare the other descending lines.
As of today, there is only one Lee DNA project website that IS NOT ran by individuals associated with the Lee Society.
The Lee DNA Surname Projects associated with these individual(s) also developed the software
that compares the DNA from testers that is reflected on these sites.
This is a direct conflict of interest.

You DO NOT need to be a descendant from the Lee lines to aid us in confirmation of our lines

We welcome all who wish to help make this a fair and honest Lee DNA Genealogy Project:
Please contact: info@leesofvirginia.org

Please be careful believing what you may be told, or what is being stated, about certain
Y-DNA groups not matching Col. Richard Lee as not being lines from Lees of Virginia.

AN IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT LEE DNA PROJECTS AND GENEALOGY SITES
AND LINEAGE HAPLOGROUP COMPARISONS:

From my understanding through speaking to a number DNA ‘experts’ and research, to have 6th cousins from separate male lines descending from same shared male ancestor can have different Y-DNA Haplogroups, depending on the rate of mutation and tests taken by the descendants. In fact I have learned that it would be irresponsible (and possibly illegal) to state affirmation that these two male descendant do not share the same ancestral 6th (or 7th, etc.) great-grandfather.

Now, in contrast, if two males of same male line descend from same shared male ancestor, it is most unlikely they will have different Haplogroups. They should always match, unless there is what is called an NPE (non-parental episode) basically a pregnancy that is not of the same male (father).

Now -back to the scenario of the two male cousins from separate male descending lines from the same male ancestor (6th great-grandfather as mentioned in first scenario) are being tested against the shared males DNA sample (the 6th gr-grandfathers actual DNA) it is not impossible to have different Haplogroups, without an NPE to cause the difference, it can happen as there are mutations between each generations and genetic distance between the lines.

Now - in the Lee DNA project(s) case(s) where male cousins from separate descending lines from a shared 6th (7th, 8th,etc.) great-grandfather, having different Y-DNA Haplogroups, the testers are being tested against DNA supposedly from the shared male ancestor (Col. Richard Lee) from only one of the male descending lines, several generations down from shared ancestor (gr-great grandson of Col. Richard Lee - DNA from Gen. Robert E Lee) (Note: the shared common ancestor of the two separate lines is Col. Richard Lee, not Gen. Robert e Lee). Gen. Robert E Lee happens to share direct DNA with only one tested descending line Haplogroup, not both, even though both lines descend from Col. Richard Lee - so the one tested line descending from Gen. Robert E Lee would share his DNA to his tested living descendants as their 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. gr-grandfather - his DNA representing the direct line from Col. Richard Lee, while the other tested living descendant line DNA compared against this same DNA from Gen. Robert E Lee has a relationship to him as a 4th, 5th, 6th, etc., cousin once removed, twice removed, etc., of Gen. Robert E. Lee, so the DNA tested is not a true representation of their Y-DNA from their shared ancestor, Col. Richard Lee. It is probable, and cannot be ruled out, that the tested living descendants from separate lines descending from same shared ancestor, Col. Richard Lee, can have different Y-DNA Haplogroups. Highly probable considering the variables, and it would be a stretch to say that the results show no direct relationship to the shared ancestor by comparing indirect DNA.

To add to this: there again are even more variables that may affect the differences in the 5th, 6th, 7th, etc., male cousins from separate lines, from a shared male ancestor, such as: what type of Y-DNA tests were done on the individuals, how many markers tested, generational changes, what labs the DNA tests originated, the convergence of separate Lee lines into the line through marriage to female Lee DNA carrier, as in example of the main five ancestral Lee lines (Pimhill, Langley, Stanton, Roden, Lea) marrying into the Lee line that became the Coton of Shropshire line, etc., these variables and generational mutations can, and often do, affect the Y-DNA Haplogroup match results.

So, basically to say that a descendant from one Lees of Virginia line is credible or not because of the Y-DNA Haplogroup results from separate lines matching or not matching, or stating that one is or is not a true descendant of Col. Richard Lee (The Immigrant) is irresponsible, speculative, and possibly illegal to discredit a lineage because of these Y-DNA results, because having matching Y-DNA Haplogroups with as many variables as these separate male descending lines may or may not happen, even IF the living male descendants were tested from Col. Richard Lee’s own DNA, which in all current testing they are not, which makes the non-matches even more likely to happen. Mutations and changes in the Y-DNA can even happen from father to son.

The bottom line that was said to me from more than one DNA ‘expert’ was that when it comes to genealogy and DNA testing, DNA testing is to COMPLIMENT genealogy and documentation, it is not to overrule, or define what is or what is not a viable descending line because there are possible variables, as mentioned above, that can and do effect the results.

So there are no absolutes here, other than that some of us with multiple Lee lines match DNA with descendants from separate Lees of Virginia lines that carry both the Y-DNA Haplogroups in question. And it is unfair to the living descendants of these lines to speculate in such a manner, to say that absolutely these lines with different Haplogroups from the Robert E Lee DNA carriers are not direct descendants from Col. Richard Lee.

The most important key to what I am trying to convey, because I am not a “DNA” expert, and citing second hand knowledge which I am limited, is that the Y-DNA Lee descendants are being compared to is NOT a Y-DNA sample from Col. Richard Lee’s DNA.  This is the biggest UNKNOWN factor.  SO there is NOT AN ABSOLUTE that Col. Richard Lee, The Immigrant, progenitor of the Lees of Virginia lines Y-DNA Haplogroup is M-253, or M-269.  All we know is that one descendant of Col. Richard Lee, that DNA sample is being stated to have the Y-DNA Haplogroup M-253, and the descendants from that group seem to have a match of M-253, while the other 80% of documented descendants are not.  And all the FACTS are NOT known. What is a FACT is that stating from these UNKNOWN factors that a descendant with a well-documented connection cannot be confirmed or denied a relationship to the ancestor, Col. Richard Lee, when in REALITY, the Y-DNA testing and comparisons present and past ARE NOT done against Col. Richard Lee’s DNA - which CAN be obtained.  ALL else is assumption and opinion. This is not for a ‘wikitreer’ to decide, not for any genealogy, historical, DNA project, or Society entity to decide, because it would be a violation of individual rights, involves hundreds, if not thousands of individuals, as laws need to be adapted to today’s DNA and genealogy applications, especially here in the United States where personal rights are even more protected by our Constitution, and one’s individual genealogy, ancestry, and DNA, and it is probably best for an entity higher than individuals on websites to decide, the courts being a possibility, how to proceed in the case of descendants of an historic figure as Col. Richard Lee with the denial or acceptance of documented lines since there seems to be a discrepancy – which may or may not be in the current descendant DNA sample which lines are being compared, and again that is all ASSUMPTIVE. 

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This Website is about:
The Genealogy, History, Descent and Ancestry of The Lee Family of Virginia, Finley Family History, and more.


This website is dedicated to the descendants and ancestral lineage of the Lee Family of Virginia.
Richard Lee I - the "Founding father" of the Lee Family of the Virginia Colony -
Shropshire England -  

and other genealogy research history that you may find interesting.

For hundreds of years, the descendants of Col. Richard Lee's son, William Lee, have been denied their heritage- denied their birthright by historians and scholars that refuse to allow the truth to be known, referring to the descendants of William Lee and his wife Alice Felton as the "lost Lineage". Because of past speculation that was considered as truths, and opinions that were published as facts by out-dated references that have no proven documentation, as law that governs over who descends from Richard Lee and Anne Constable. The denial of the William Lee line goes on even in these times, as the internet opens new frontiers of knowledge, as Federal Census records and documentation that was previously blocked from our view are now accessible - as birth, marriage and death publications are now available-making it possible to prove the existence of this lineage and that it does live on-through the thousand of GEDCOM files available on genealogy sites worldwide-- and even though the facts are there, the denial of these proud descendants goes on ...

A
nd the denial of descendants goes beyond William Lee, it goes on to all lines, except for those associated with Ditchley or Stratford,
which seem to be the only lines being recognized at this time because of tainted DNA projects ran by associations of the Lee Society.

American History is the foundation upon which our great Nation stands-the importance of integrity and substance is from which we thrive and our patriotic pride derives. It is what we are taught and what fills our heart and minds as we say our Pledge of Allegiance. And at the beginning and woven throughout the pattern of time the Lee Family of Virginia has been the common thread in history that has held so true ...yet the fabric has been cut, torn, sown over to hide the holes and discrepancies.

Divisiveness, instead of Unity and Accord, is what is being promoted.  Denial of the Truth, Denial of Heritage.

This website is my labor of love to my ancestors, and to all of their descendants.  It began as a quest for the true descending lines of Col. Richard Lee I, the acknowledgement of these lines ...
 to right the wrongs that have been done in the past, and present, of efforts to erase family members of this lineage.

This website is about the commitment to honor the members of the Lee Family, of those denied that right, yet know who they descend from.

This website is dedicated to the patriotism, courage of all our Lee family members and descendants

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This website is dedicated to revealing all the forgotten generations, giving freedom to those who know of who they are from, but not believed.

I have tried to gather as much information as I can to share with others who may be researching their own family lines and ties to these ancestors,

and I welcome all contributions that may assist those who are seeking their own roots.

William Lee Descendants are just one small part of the denial and non-acceptance of Lee lineages.

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And even though corrections and recognition of William Lee's marriage to Alice Felton has now been publicly acknowledged  by many...

 the lines from their children are still being denied .....

William Lee Research

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William Lee, son of Richard Lee and Anne Constable, did survive and marry; having children that created direct descendants to the Lee Family of Virginia line.  
The printing of Edmund Jennings Lee's 1895 "Lees of Virginia" ... later printed a corrected version, establishing proof of the William Lee lineage existence, and other historical publications that acknowledge the marriage of William Lee, his marriage to Alice Felton, and their four children.  These historical publications can easily be found at the Library of Congress under the category of Lee Family Genealogy.

To understand the reasoning behind the controversy of the William Lee line stems from Mary Lee (Heath) daughter of William Lee and Alice Felton.

To further examine the issues of Mary Lee Heath, it is important to understand Mary Lee’s father (Capt. William Lee) died young leaving her as heiress. She inherited land from her father. However, after her remarriage to Bartholomew Schreever and the circumstances associated with it, the Lee family filed suit against Mary for the land. Two court dates later, Mary had lost her inheritance and been disowned by the Lee family. To this day the Society of Lees of Virginia will not accept her descendants as members.

See the new discussion "William Lee" on the Lees of Virginia Genealogy Forum

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This is website is dedicated to the preservation of the entire genealogical historical lineage of the Lee Family tree and to share information to other researchers.


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Our Lee Ancestors ...


They gave us our heritage, and it is time we show them our gratitude and recognition for who they were. They were not saints - sometimes proving their point rather strongly - but they did live with an ethic that we would do well to remember today. They worked hard - and were rewarded for that, usually. They helped one another, and as families were orphaned - took in the children, extended their families - took care of their own. They did not think for an instant if this was something the "government" should do. To them, that was unthinkable. Family and neighbors shouldered responsibility and moved on. They moved westward, ever westward - as pioneers - living and moving deeper and deeper into often hostile territory - to carve out civilization from nothing....

Our Lee Ancestors ...

They built a Nation that is the envy of everyone else who did not follow their example. They despised all who lacked self-respect. They built churches and schools as they needed them, held barn raisings and worked harvest days that ended in "courting" parties, establishing new generations.

What we do today that we should not be doing, they would have strongly discouraged. What they did do, we should still be doing.

They are an example of success in the face of disease and hardship, we have now overcome. We should and can learn from their example - perhaps we too need to be tested and purified by the fires, the tribulations, as they were - for they turned out the better from these trials...  perhaps we have become too soft, too lazy and self-indulgent. We should examine what made them great, examine what made them successful - and we should follow their examples, preferably without needing the experience of the tribulation, but through thought, morality and mental effort.

The American Patriot

We view with pride our ancestors’ names.
The blood they shed runs through our veins.
They fought to give us freedom and liberty,
These Patriots we proudly display on our trees.
The Founding Fathers of our Nation’s Pride,
They fought tyranny united, side b
y side.
Yet - how would they view us if they were alive today?
Would they accept these circumstances or would they dismay?
Or might they tell us that it is our responsibility?
To uphold and protect the Constitution they fought for
that set us free?
Or would they pick up the ax to help chip away
The foundation this Nation was built?
Leaving it to corruption and be reduced to silt?
Would they choose fortune over the future of us all?
Would they care not at this Nations fall?
I THINK NOT!!!!
I say to you, as they might say to me
“YOU, The People, are the namesakes of OUR legacy.
It is up to YOU”, they might interject!
“Wake Up Americans!
Time is growing short, but it is not over yet …
We did change the past to better this land!
And together YOU can make change again - only if, You the People, take a stand!
Be the Lion, not the sheep!
Live your lives with eyes open, not half asleep!
For only United this Nation can remain standing, and Divided you will surely Fall!
The future of the Republic depends upon YOU ALL.
For ‘Ever mindful of the Future’ must be your creed,
Remembering always ‘Don’t Thread on Me ’”!
 
~ Jacqueli C. Finley